If You're In California, You Might As Well Get Gay Married
I realize it takes time to plan a wedding, but let's just get it out there - the window for this gay marriage thing may be a little small, so hurry up and get your flowers all set up already because you see Judge Vaughn R. Walker essentially lifted the stay so gay couples in California can get married again.
RT @freedomtomarry: BREAKING: Judge Walker lifts stay, and same-sex couples now have the freedom to marry in CA #Prop8 – Please RT! #lgbt
You hear that noise? It's the sound of 24 million Yes on 8 dollars that just went down the drain. Vaughn R. Walker is not only gay, but he's also awesome. Though he's probably going to get hot by some other judge who will then claim insanity or something.
I mean, marriage is still state-subsidized rape and all, but oh well, good for the gay community now. The nuclear families are the cells of the capitalist cancer when you think about it.. Remember that movie "I pronounce you chuck and larry" where in the trailer they were supposed to be fake gay married and someone was all like "why don't you kiss" and then they were all "ewwwwwwww"
Yeah, millions of people laughed at that unironically.
According to the media pundits, it's now only days away till they also lift the ban on dog marriages and my taboo love for my welsh corgi can finally be publicly consummated.
Just FYI, the stay has been extended for at least another week, so gays can't get married just yet but then again, I'm not even gay and I half want to marry some other guy just because we can. Or should I take it one step up? I have this horse I want to marry, they should be able to help me out on this one, right?
You know that the Yes on 8 will file an appeal to the 9th, and a three judge panel there will determine the standing issue. If the prop 8 supporters are denied standing by the 9th, then they have to appeal to the Supreme Court. Who will then determine standing and send the case back to the 9th as necessary.
While all this is a bit confusing and not very helpful without a singing and dancing bill to help guide you through the process, it still shows that Walker's stay decision was a long "Fuck you" to the Prop 8 supporters and strongly spells out their lack of standing on the matter.
I'm all but prepping for the "in a 5-4 decision..."/"in a 6-3 decision..." headline now for my eventual blog post about it. Enjoy your window of opportunity while you can, gay readers of my blog.
I do find it amusing that the case is going to be called "Perry v Schwarzenegger" because I like the idea of Arnold's name being enshrined in history books next to Brown v Board. He deserves it after vetoing marriage equality bills twice now.
Do you remember when Prop 8 was first put on the ballot and Arnold said "That will never happen. I will fight it" and then it as put on the ballot and he didn't do shit about it.. and then it passed. Yeah, good times...
I want him to fling a knife through a gay activist, pinning him to a pride float and saying "Stick around". Or perhaps he'll just slide over to a man in a towel on Sauna bench and let out "Hey Bennett, let off some steam"
I guess to his credit he's not defending it and also was part of the petition to the judge to life the injunction. In fact, the fact that the state didn't even bother trying to defend the amendment in court was an important part of the ruling because then the only people fighting for it were the random activists who don't have standing.
Fuck it, I'm just going to go gay marry a Mexican dude for the $$ and citizenship and we'll have gay anchor terrorist babies together. Exactly how? I do not know. But fuck you, America!
Forget the hoopla about Jay Leno and NBC bending over Conan and pushing him and the Tonight Show to become the Midnight/Morning Show, let's take a look at prop 8 news.. yet again. Yes, this stuff is in the news and I'm still raging against the idea that gay rights.
In recent news, Prop 8 appeals are finally going to go to the court room to see if it violates the rights of others.. let me clue you in.. it does. But in this case, it seems that The Federal Trail will be Televised...
The federal trial on the constitutionality of California's same-sex marriage ban beginning next week will be videotaped and uploaded to a video-sharing Web site, the presiding judge ruled Wednesday.
Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker, who first floated the idea of broadcasting the highly anticipated proceedings live several months ago, said he decided instead to have court employees record the trial for delayed broadcast on Google's YouTube Web site.
Walker did not explicitly say why he favored a system that could keep the proceedings from being aired for hours instead of one that allowed for simultaneous broadcast. But he said he felt strongly that "it's important for the transmission to be absolutely within the court's control."
It will be the first federal trial in a Western state and one of only a handful nationwide to be taped and aired in public in any form. It also will be the first federal trial on whether denying gays the right to wed constitutes unlawful discrimination to be taped and offered to the public.
The governing body for federal courts in the West recently approved a pilot program that would for the first time allow cameras in civil trials being decided by judges.
Walker said the case's national importance was one of the reasons he was keen to have the proceedings recorded and viewed by as many people as possible as a giant civics lesson.
"I always thought that if people could see how the judiciary really works, they would take a somewhat different view of it," he said.
The plan that Walker outlined Wednesday needs to be approved by the chief judge of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, but such approval seemed likely since that same judge announced the pilot program a mere weeks ago knowing of Walker's interest in having the gay marriage case viewed by audiences outside his courtroom.
Walker said the trial would be streamed live in an overflow room at the federal courthouse, as well as to the 9th Circuit's courthouses in San Francisco; Pasadena, Calif., Seattle; and Portland, Ore. He said he also had received requests for live feeds from two federal courthouses in Illinois.
Lawyers representing the sponsors of the state's voter-approved gay marriage ban, known as Proposition 8, opposed broadcasting the trial in any form, arguing that witnesses might be intimidated or harassed because of the high emotions surrounding the gay marriage issue.
Walker said he would consider requests at trial to black out the video if individual witnesses object to being recorded.
A coalition of print and broadcast news organizations, including The Associated Press, had encouraged Walker to let a single broadcast media company record the proceedings and make them immediately available to other news outlets. But Walker said he wanted only court employees sitting behind the three video cameras that would be set up in his courtroom, in part so he could decide to pull the plug on the broadcast experiment if it turned out to be interference or a distraction.
Thomas Burke, a media lawyer who represented the news organizations, called Walker's decision an important first step in increasing public access to judicial proceedings of significant interest.
Burke said it was his understanding that staffing and equipment limitations ruled out a live broadcast.
"I did not hear anything from the judge suggesting that's a delay he wants," Burke said.
when i first read about this i thought it would be something like a local trial, not a federal one. The trail starts on Monday, January 11th. But I think it's incredibly funny that these people who are opposed to giving people the same rights they have (fuck you, got mine) that they don't want anyone to see their faces as they spew out their hate. One of the major reasons why it passed even though polling showed that people who were asked were saying something that was politically correct because they were asked point blank, but would gladly vote away the rights of someone else when the ballot curtains are closed.
Being that I worked during a couple of elections, I can tell you that someone's reaction vastly changes when they don't have someone over their shoulder looking at what they vote for.
I'm just curious as how this is going to go down. Is there any evidence that federal judges rule along the political lines of the President that appointed the? Because this federal judge that allowed this to be televised was appointed by Bush. I mean it's a given that SCOTUS judges go down party lines, but there are a fuck of a lot of federal judges to try to get party loyalty out of.
Besides, it's been 20 years and he's from SF. Allowing the trail to be broadcast at all is a good ove and makes me think he's a bit more liberal than he lets on. There's this case he presided over involving the NSA, in which he ruled against them and their state secrets. So I gotta say, today I learned of a new hero. Booyah.
But back to these assholes who want to get rid of human rights.. Yeah, gee. Thanks for spending millions to advertise outright lies to get prop 8 passed, church of latter day saints. We all know you're trying to draw attention away from the facts that Joseph Smith was a con man and Utah is shit, but to deny someone the ability to be miserable is something you don't have the right to do.
I'm glad they'll televised this. I mean, is there any reason why not to? Other than to hide behind the court room with your hate for others rights? Many supports claimed that having cameras in the courtroom would violate federal court rules and would intimidate witnesses. Um, perhaps you shouldn't be afraid of your own message. Unless it's one that you know will be hated. Hell, I talk a lot of shit in this blog but I never back down in being able to be open and saying it. They even filed a motion (.pdf) to withdraw from the case, citing fear for his life. That's a true test on how unjust and against civil rights your cause actually is.
Will this end the unjust lack of marriage between homosexuals? Not really. If anything, it's the start of another long battle. Even if they win in this appeal, if the religious side loses they'll just send it to the supreme court, which doesn't really favor or lean towards granting them the right for marriage.
So let's see how this plays out. But god damn, I can't help but enjoy seeing these religious fucks who want to take the rights away from others act as if they're being treated unfair. Talk about ironic as all fuck. So to all you who are hiding behind some laws to protect your rights to destroy the rights of others..
So you might remember that I was ranting about how Maine had a proposition on the ballot for November to, much like prop 8, make it illegal for Gays to marry? Oh, you don't remember my post on October 6th about how it mirrored Prop 8? Yes, here, let me link you to it. Now that you're caught up to speed, let's put it this way, the people of Maine were the next line of people to say "Fuck you" to other people's basic human rights for happiness.
Now, I'm not gay. I'm in a perfectly happy relationship with a female. But that's because I enjoy boobs, but I can understand and I have been a strong supporter of everyone having the right to be equally miserable in their pursuit of marriage. Today we find out that America is still a socially regressive shit hole. I know, I know. I'll give you a moment to compose yourself and act surprised.
Look at this fucking cunt. FUCK YOU!
The straight man has finally secured a modicum of safety on this gay, gay earth that some homos won't be ruining their marriage. Nope, it's only in their hands to ruin it now. I don't get it. Maine isn't even very religious, I don't know what the excuse is for this. They can't really blame it on the Mexicans and Blacks, like they did when it passed in California either.
What gets me is that Obama hasn't even touched either of these issues. He promised to get rid of Don't Ask/Don't Tell and hasn't done so. He was silent as all hell on both Prop 8 when it was being a major hot issue topic last year, and he fails to even mention Question 1? What the fuck. I would like to think that Obama would actually gave a shit about the gay community.
it's okay, moby... everything will be okay
I suppose I should take some comfort in knowing that it passed by a higher % than it did in California. So that gives us West Coasters some credit for being less terrible folks. Especially when you factor in that Washington state had something on their ballot that gives gay couples pretty much all the same rights, minus the title of marriage. So hey, fuck you East Coast, we can see that even your liberal of areas is just fucked.
Equality Defeated in Maine Josh Marshall | November 4, 2009, 1:06AM The anti-marriage equality initiative appears to have won in Maine. Meanwhile, a civil unions initiative has prevailed in Washington state.
I think I'm finally getting it. It seems like the basic idea at work here is that if we make being gay as unattractive as possible, people will stop choosing to be gay. Problem solved, right? Any way you put it, this is pretty fucked up shit that you really don't have any reaction to other than to say fffffffffffff to.
I mean it. I seriously don't have all that many words. At least not too many that Lily Allen hasn't already expressed in song form;
While this was really close.. but not as close to Prop 8, the polls were really showing that it wasn't going to pass. So why the difference between what people say and what people actually voted for? Bradley Effect, yo.
The theory here is that some voters might not tell strangers over the phone their true feelings about gay marriage for the same reason they might not tell strangers on the phone their true feelings about a black candidate: They fear that an honest answer wouldn’t be a socially acceptable answer — that it might even make them look like bigots in the eyes of some.
American society in particular is very uncomfortable with homosexuality, basically ascribing it to something akin to an alternate sexual activity or position instead of something essential to a person's identity and social preferences. Even if you aren't religious, you're tainted by the societal phobia. Truly Maine children are now safe from the gay pandemic being taught in schools. there will be no more homosexuals coming out of the state whatsoever.
This group right here can go to fucking hell. Fuck them too!
Accordingly, Americans are easily persuaded that it's a bad thing for kids to know about homosexuality, just like it's a bad thing for kids to know about oral sex or doggystyle intercourse. But then again, that ad campaign about teaching gay marriage to children as a scare tactic really was a new low.. and by new I mean old 'used for prop 8' low tactic. For some ungodly reason quite a few people seriously believe telling kids about homosexuality will cause their children to be gay.
Perhaps it was also all the nerds in Maine who don't want to feel less lonely knowing that they can share their loneliness with lesbians and gays who won't have anyone in this world to love them in marriage, either. Thank god that those queers can't marry now. It will only make straight marriage all that much more SPECIAL and SACRED, Gotta save your marriage from those faggots after all. Why are you allowed to vote on human rights issues at all anyway? This is utterly the worse thing to possibly have on as a ballot measure.
Seriously, in thinking of marriage, I have no problem in just eloping. Marriage is made into a big stink anyhow and this is how we end up with these sort of situations. People think that the actual act of getting married is the big stink. How about just staying together long enough to see an anniversary.
Stay classy America, never change because you never will.
Different Coast But The Same Ol' Song: Gay Marriage And Banning Divorce
Whether you like it or not.. it's happening again. This time in a different coast, but the same ol' shit. It looks like Maine is under attack right now for allowing those crazy homosexuals to get married. I don't get this shit.. I really don't. It's beyond stupid but look at this shit happening yet again on the East Coast
Yeah, I'm pretty sick and tired of this shit also.
It really can't be a good anti-gay advert without having the typical "Stay Away From My Kids" yelling somewhere in there. Oh my goodness.. Won't anyone think of the children?! Not in our schools! What exactly is 'homosexual marriage taught in schools'? Is it telling kids that it exist? That it's legally equivalent to straight marriage?
When exactly was straight marriage ever taught in schools? No one ever taught me how to obtain a wedding certificate and plan the ceremony and reception while stressing that I must only do this with a member of the opposite sex when I was in school.
Wait, check the tivo, honey, cause that sounds very familiar. Are you sure that we didn't just set the tivo to record all the time the episode airs cause I swear I've seen that before... Oh wait, we have seen it before.. Exactly word for word for it
I can't wait to overhear the sort of conversations that occur at the bingo games.
"My kid is taking a class in heterosexual marriage this semester, bill" "Just make sure he doesn't major in it. The field is not as safe a bet as it once was."
To be honest, I have a B.A. in heterosexual studies and the only job I can get is a Westboro protester. So I come from experience when I advise you and your children in their college prep. You know what, fuck it. Let's just ban divorce.
It may be a satirical campaign going around, but it does make a lot of sense. Why don't we make divorce illegal in California. Sure, we'll lose out in a lot of court cost to getting the dotted line signed on ending your marriage, but if we're going on and on about the sanctity of marriage, we should at least treat it with some respect, don't you think?
RescueMarriage.org is running this campaign and I found it funny that news sites were curious as to if it was satire or serious material. Check out the site, it's kind of funny. I think it's just a bit disorienting because the image is about divorce instead of gay marriage, but it's almost always gay marriage that people are whining about, so you look for a gay marriage statement that isn't there in that logo, right.
You have to love that pro-"protect marriage" satire in that. But in reality, it's true. Why not just get rid of divorce, when you say till death, you mean that shit. Kill the other person in order to get your freedom again. Why the hell not. It means there's one less hypocrite in the world going on about marriage being so sacred.
In short, don't vote for this stupid law, Maine. I beg of you. I want to roll in and eat some lobster and get some chowder sometime without the urge to burn the small state to the fucking ground because you choose to take away someone's rights.
Gavin Gavin Gavin. You remember that phrase? If you don't know what I'm talking about, click away....
I have to say, Gavin. You were bold and I liked your Moxie but you know what they did? They took your words and they ran with them. When Prop 8 came around to voting they used your words and they made the morons vote Yes on Prop 8...
Well, we all know how that went. I wrote a shit ton of blogs about how you're a fucking moron if you vote Yes on this stupid prop and that you should vote no or I'll track you down and cut off your balls. I was called a fag lover by some random e-mailer. Which confused me because I didn't know someone stupid enough to have that mindset could use a computer. Then again, have I seen what is being posted on the internet lately?
The prop passed and there was protest, marches and El Coyote lost a lot of business, even though they are pretty good and cheap on the wallet. Promises that they were going to take it up with the court systems and well... we have some news on that.. or do we?
Confidential sources close to San Francisco City Hall told Towleroad's Corey Johnson that the California Supreme Court was prepared to release its opinion on Proposition 8 tomorrow, but decided to delay the ruling after a call from Mayor Gavin Newsom.
Newsom"Newsom reached out to the Supreme Court and asked them to hold off releasing their decision so it did not coincide with the White Night riots," said our source.
As mentioned earlier, a ruling Thursday would have fallen on the 30th anniversary of the San Francisco riots, which were set off when the court handed down the most lenient decision possible (voluntary manslaughter) against Dan White for the murders of supervisor Harvey Milk and Mayor George Moscone. The ensuing riots in San Francisco on May 21, 1979 caused hundreds of thousands of dollars in damage.
UPDATE: Towleroad received this tip from a highly credible source who did the interview on the condition that they remain anonymous. We have been working to get additional sources.
Gavin Newsom's office has issued a release denying the story.
San Francisco Supervisor Bevan Dufty spoke with Towleroad late this afternoon, saying he doubted the claims. Said Dufty: "It is implausible if not impossible to imagine that the Mayor could reach out to the California Supreme Court. Any thinking person would know that he would be radioactive to the justices given his leadership on the issue. His father is a retired federal judge. The Mayor's courage on this issue is unimpeachable. He would not intrude in what we've been waiting for."
Burn Orange County to the motherfucking ground. Clearly this isn't a good sign. How could it be? Gavin asked for it NOT to be announced on the anniversary of the white riots. The california supreme court's decision has to be released within 2 weeks, and if they didn't want it to coincide with the anniversary of huge gay riots it's pretty certain this decision is the one that will get the gays out on the streets.
It was always only a small posibility that the courts would overturn prop 8. However, it is not likely to survive on referendum past 2010 or 2012 at the latest. With the small margin it lost by in 2008, California would have to be resisting the national trends toward support for gay marriage to maintain the "no" majority for that long.
The CA legislature should pass a band-aid law to recognize marriages performed in other states, like NY and DC have. Then CA gays can take some vacations into Iowa, see some corn, and come back married. Oh yeah, Prop 8 made even that illegal...
Chuck Lorre is 100%, Everyone should have the right to be miserable.
With Gavin looking to run for Governor after Arnold's run on ruining the state is over, this is going to be a hot issue. Hopefully he can make good on having the doors busted wide open on this whole matter.. So failing on the promise of telling people to like it or not... it may not be the best.
But I hope they do riot. Just because it falls on a different day doesn't mean the outcome will change. Bad news is bad news no matter how you shake it. I hear they're putting barricades in the castro to prepare for the riots. Even if they decided to take this to the supreme court, it'll be a stupid decision.
This is what Google image gave me when I asked for Gay Marriage Riots.. I can't wait!
Not to mention it's a state issue.. But, you know.. if SCOTUS took it up i think it'd be more likely that they'd decide that DOMA prohibited states from recognizing gay marriages and invalidate gay marriages everywhere in all states. It'll be far less painful for everyone to put a measure on the 2010/2012 ballot to repeal it, which is what will happen.
Will it pass again then? Well, that's where I suggest we burn Orange County to the fucking ground. Toss in the Inland Empire in that napalm blast. But just make sure you don't make the same mistake that the 90's riots did. That is mess up your own back yard. West Hollywood is already gearing up for it..
Thursday, May 21, 2009 – Op-Ed By Sam Borelli, West Hollywood
West Hollywood, California (Thursday, May 21, 2009) - West Hollywood’s intersection of Santa Monica and San Vicente Boulevards has a long tradition of being the gay community’s gathering place, be it in celebration or protest.
Most recently we gathered more than a few times to protest the passage of Proposition 8, which added discrimination to the California Constitution by denying same-sex couples their previously afforded legal right to marry.
Observers believe that the court will uphold the passage of Proposition 8, and we will again take to the streets of West Hollywood.
Unfortunately, there have been rumblings that otherwise responsible, level-headed folk are gearing up to throw bricks.
Equality California (EQCA) sent an E mail yesterday that began, “The decision we have been waiting for is coming any day now. While we hope for the best, we are prepared to do whatever it takes to win marriage back (emphasis added),”
WeHo News contacted EQCA for a clarification, but did not receive a response before deadline.
Anything but non-violent demonstrations would be very bad turns on very many fronts. We have seen time after time a community in outrage destroy their own.
It’s happened here before.
Turning on West Hollywood is not a solution. Harming our businesses, putting our residents and visitors in harm’s way is not going to help. Forcing our Sheriff’s personnel to take drastic action against us only harms a relationship with a very good ally.
In November, 2008 our very own WeHo Sheriff’s personnel did an amazing job working with city staffers and community leaders to keep us safe and protected.
It was not our Sheriff’s that we saw the next day on the news swinging bats. In fact, over those following few weeks we really tapped out their resources with many protests starting elsewhere else and ending up here in West Hollywood.
Yes, if the CA Supreme Court upholds Prop 8 we will be angry. There is still anger in the community four months later.
I hear it, others do too, and yes, we need an outlet for that anger. But let’s not allow the outlet to be violent and self-destructive.
Let’s gather, yell, scream, march, stomp our feet, and other forms of getting the anger out.
Then let us come together as a community and do what we need to do together to turn this tide around.
There have been groups that have sprung into action since Prop 8 passed.
The Courage Campaign and Equal Roots are just two that offer positive, action oriented activities and objectives to help our cause and move us forward.
Equality Central, formerly Equality Network, has been amazing at letting us know about the many events and activities in which to participate. Remember the press coverage?
We have the opportunity to show the world that we can take what comes next.
All struggles like this have had setbacks, Women’s Suffrage and the African American Civil Rights Movement to name just a few.
It does not make it okay, but it should make us stronger, and more determined.
I do hope that we are able to celebrate but if not, let’s be together, be angry together, grieve together, and then move forward together without harming those that help us or are part of our struggle.
Together, we can make it happen wisely and, hopefully, peacefully.
Sam Borelli serves on the West Hollywood Public Safety Commission and writes a blog called Walking WeHo, from which this op-ed is republished with Mr. Borelli’s express permission.
What's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding? Clearly a lot is to laugh about. During this time of year it's easy to say that and feel like you're making a difference, but we all know how much I just get off on calling the bullshit out on those band-aid "I'm making a difference" mentality that many have.
If you're not going to bother reading it let me sum up the best parts.
The Ferreiras like life in their gated community in the eastern suburbs of San Diego. Their house, nestled at the end of a cul-de-sac, is comfortable, with plenty of room for them and their three grown children, who still live at home.
But the Ferreiras are afraid of what is happening to the world beyond the gates.
"I'm just seeing our morals and everything just deteriorating before us," Robbie, 49, said one recent evening.
Looks like the noise of two guys fucking makes it clear across those gates. Oh, don't worry, this gets better as you read the article:
"We hate the sin," Abel often declares, "not the sinner."
Abel said he knows what it is to sin. A former drug user, he found Jesus while serving time in prison.
After he was released, he toured the state, telling his conversion story at evangelical gatherings. He met Robbie at a revival in Barstow.
They were married, had three children and then divorced. Ten years ago, they remarried.In the interim, Robbie had married and divorced another man.
The Ferreiras insist their divorces do not make them hypocrites in the fight for Proposition 8 and the preservation of the "sacredness" of marriage. They say it just proves that they are flawed people like everyone else.
Moral high ground here folks. I don't understand the preserving marriage argument, seriously. The only ones responsible for your failed marriage(s) is you, not some queers getting married. These people got married, got divorced, she remarried, got divorced, then they married again. This is somehow morally justified and approved by god but two gay people marrying isn't?
They also forget that women were property in bible times. They also had polygamy as well. But we shouldn't expect fundies to be rational. Soooo..
If you want to be righteous than live a righteous life. There's nothing wrong and it's your freedom to do so. But leave me the hell out of it.
There's still one thing I'm very confused by.
For 40 days, the couple gave up coffee and didn't eat for 12 hours a day
I have no idea what the significance of giving up this shit for only 12 hours a day is. I wonder if they know they just accidentally observed Ramadan. Perhaps it's just the number of hours their first marriage lasted.
This holiday season if you're going to carry this love for your fellow man at least be consistent with it. This article is a clear case that no matter how many times you say "I don't mean to offend you but....", it's always going to be taken as offensive.
We finally really did it. You Maniacs! You passed prop 8! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!
I don't get you people. Yes, that's right I said YOU PEOPLE. Because I, for one, did not vote yes for prop 8. You just had to listen and read my blogs to see where I stand on this issue. It's stupid to strip a group of their civil rights that make them equal to everyone else.
A lot of people have said that Obama brought out the black voters who are to blame for the passing of prop 8. While they got civil liberties and fought for the right to be equal, they turned around and felt the need to deny others of civil liberties.
But I'm not convinced by this logic. You see the final numbers was 52.3 yes and 47.7 no, so you have a 4.6 percent split. the black vote was 10 percent of the electorate and voted 70 percent yes and 30 percent no. if you adjust the totals as if black people had voted the same, or even 50/50, you still end up with prop 8 winning by more than 2 percent.
That still doesn't excuse the fact that someone who fought for civil equality decided to deny others the very same civil equality. But it's not the only reason why it passed.
There's also the backlash. Those reap what they sow. In this case El Coyote Restaurant owner, who is a member of the LDS Mormon church is now crawling home with her tail between her legs because, get this, while they're located in West Hollywood, they were dumb enough to not only support Prop 8 but also give money to them.
I have been sick at heart that anyone has been offended by me. I have family, friends, employees from the gay community who are treasured people in my life. I have been a member of the Mormon church all my life. I responded to their request with my personal donation. For years the El Coyote has financially and generously supported the gay community and its charities.
Margie
The Salsa is spiced with hate
Of course she's going to be sorry. It's effecting her pocket book. Is there really no accountability? Just because you're a member of a church doesn't mean you need to follow them blindly. Hell, the simple fact that they are serving alcohol or even open on a Sunday means they are not following the church's teaching to the book as those two things goes against the church.
So don't give me this bullshit that you didn't realize that it would have such an effect. Again, the proposition description started with ELIMINATE RIGHTS in it. She's feeling the pinch now because she, along with others, have been outed for giving money to advertise for prop 8. I'm not spending any time feeling sorry for her suffering consequences to her actions. She could have just easily said no when the church passed around the collection plate.
And a quick follow up to this. The event happened and as you could expect, it was a train wreck which will only be followed by boycotts of the place. Why? Because while she's sorry, she's only sorry that she was outed and has no intention on supporting a NO on prop 8 side in fighting this in court. What a fucking sheep. While they have cheap margaritas out of the gun, I wont be supporting a place that takes the profits from my business there and channels it to a church that lives by a double standard.
This isn't limited to LDS and the black community. Let's toss some blame to Saddleback Church, which in itself, has a pretty gay sounding name. This Mecca for evangelicals in Southern California played its part in getting this proposition to pass.
Saddleback Church has the pastor Rick Warren who hosted a forum thing with Obama and McCain and then campaigned for prop. 8 hardcore. He also wrote this really dumb book called The Purpose Driven Life which is basically a self-help book with lots of God, that has become one of the best selling books of all time. (I was once given a copy of this by evangelicals fearful for my godless, Californian soul.) Weekly church attendance for Saddleback exceeds 23,000.
Saddleback is a prime example of megachurches at their worst. The Lord apparently likes large plasma screens.
Others who supported Proposition 8 said they have also been targeted. Scott Purves, of Purves & Associates, a Davis insurance company, said a protester carrying a sign reading "Purves Family Supports Homophobia" picketed his business Monday.
"If this had gone the other way, I can't imagine the backlash if people protested and called the other side names," said Purves. "People would be angry and rightfully so. ... It makes me sad that this would happen when a majority of people supported this measure."
"It's disheartening that he is being singled out," said Lisa West, spokeswoman for the church in the Sacramento area. "We had hoped there would be more tolerance for different viewpoints."
"Protesting is a time-honored American tradition," said Ned Dolejsi, executive director of the California Catholic Conference. Catholic leaders were active in the Yes on 8 campaign. "But it's unfortunate when it steps over into religious bigotry or harassment."
Waaaa. Waa aaa, My hateful actions have consequences! No shit, you scum. That last quote really gets to me.
"We had hoped there would be more tolerance for different viewpoints."
I wonder how long it will be, if ever, when the irony of this hits her. This shit writes itself. I'm sure the next press release will include this statement "I just wish the rest of the world would understand our point of view, that my point of view needs to be made the law so that other points of view are illegal and wrong." or something along these lines "I just wish the rest of the world would understand our point of view, that my point of view needs to be made the law so that other points of view are illegal and wrong."
I just never wrapped my head around being against gay marriage. I mean, gay people shop for groceries and that hasn't changed grocery shopping for me. So I seriously don't think letting them get married would hurt anything either. Did I miss some sort of memo sent out amongst straight people on why exactly anyone should be against this?
I would say that we should ban Mormon marriage but if you were to try to practice it as the founder originally intended, it would be illegal as well. Then again, why do you want multiple wives?
The issue has been heating up even after the elections with protest and boycotts. I believe they're justified as it is taking human rights and tossing them out the window. While I don't believe in violent protest, it's not like the religious right is playing this with any tact. The actions of Margie from El Coyote and the video above show that there's either remorse or a strong standing by ones convictions. You can't be surprised if someone slaps your sign out of your hand if you're egging them on like the old lady did with that group.
I can't wait til the California Supreme Court takes this case on and smacks the shit out of the pro-prop 8 people. They tried to go around the Supreme Court. You don't fuckin do that. The Supreme Court is going to fuck them for that, and in a totally gay way.
When this gets overturned it will be even better than if it had been defeated in the first place. Not only will these people have accomplished nothing, but they will have bankrupted themselves in order to do so
Well, even though I posted about it and the fact that the actual prop said "ELIMINATES RIGHTS.." in the first two words of it, it still passed. What the fuck, California? What the fuck? Seriously, do you not see how we look like the biggest douche bags around voting for Obama and change and yet staying the same god damn way with this stupidity? It's even more a slap in the face because Mormons supported this campaign to end gay marriage rights on the grounds of preserving the family structure... yet how many wives does a typical Mormon have?
I ignored the warnings of those that were in favor of Prop 8. You know the type. The ones that said if they allowed gay marriage than you'll have to teach kids about it in school and where would it end? People fighting for rights to marry their animals. Well I can say with all honesty in a Will Smith voice, The Shit Just Got Real.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised when a news story like this comes out of Japan. But as the saying goes, Denial isn't just a sea in Egypt. So I bring you news of the coming of the end because A Man Wants To Marry A Comic Character. Yeah, that's right. You heard me. And if you didn't click on that link then let me make it clearer. Sometimes I can't decide if we nuked them too much or not enough.
A Japanese man has enlisted hundreds of people in a campaign to allow marriages between humans and cartoon characters, saying he feels more at ease in the "two-dimensional world." Comic books are immensely popular in Japan, with some fictional characters becoming celebrities or even sex symbols.
Marriage is meanwhile on the decline as many young Japanese find it difficult to find life partners. Taichi Takashita launched an online petition aiming for one million signatures to present to the government to establish a law on marriages with cartoon characters.
Within a week he has gathered more than 1,000 signatures through the Internet. "I am no longer interested in three dimensions. I would even like to become a resident of the two-dimensional world," he wrote.
"However, that seems impossible with present-day technology. Therefore, at the very least, would it be possible to legally authorise marriage with a two-dimensional character?"
"For a long time I have only been able to fall in love with two-dimensional people and currently I have someone I really love," one person wrote.
"Even if she is fictional, it is still loving someone. I would like to have legal approval for this system at any cost," the person wrote.
Japan only permits marriage between human men and women and gives no legal recognition to same-sex relationships. Prime Minister Taro Aso is an avid fan of manga and recently complained that he has been too busy to read comic books since taking office.
I should have listened. I should have just voted Yes on prop 8 to protect the sanctity of marriage.... Ok, I would never vote for prop 8 because I don't want to be scum and take away a humans right. But the story is rather scary. Then again, same sex marriages are not accepted there either. Perhaps we should take some note from all this. Allow gay marriages or else people will get rather wacky in the way they tie the knot. And it'll be far worse in terms of ruining your straight marriages.
I had to look around a bunch of articles, more than the normal sane person should look through. Turns out he wants to marry a big breasted chick from Haruhi. Way to reach for the stars, Champ. Oh yes, her character is in high school. Just felt like pointing that out.
The blushing(?) bride
Must be a slow news day. This is probably the least news worthy thing I've ever read. Though I do remember that one time when I read the article about the woman who married the Berlin Wall. Yeah, that was strange and long before gay marriage ever was cool to walk down the isle.
Marriages usually have to be consensual. So... Unless of course her knocked her up, the there could be a shotgun wedding, but it is paper. You can't accidentally impregnate paper. Not to mention how do you even talk about how you two met?
"Hey baby...you're a very sexy line segment! Let's get married and have pixels."
His wild dreams come true! 3D!
I wonder, if he does marry her, will his job offer him certain health insurance benefits that come with married couples? Ha, I'm just kidding. This prick has to be unemployed. Silly otaku.
This scares me because I never thought I would find a group creepier than the real doll fuckers on the internet. But thank you once again, internets. You find me another reason to hate humanity. Real doll fuckers at least have something tangible to have sex with. You cartoon lovers... you have a piece of paper.
Thank you Cool World. See what you have done to society?
How can you marry something that can't consent? The animators would have to animate the character accepting the marriage proposal. I'll bet they have more discriminating tastes than some Japanese loser. Imagine how sad it would be to get rejected by an animated character. The animator would have to spend a lot of time animating your rejection.
Some time back a furry had a wedding ceremony with him and Minerva Mink from Animaniacs. Warner Brother's animation studio got word and put up posters saying something like, "Sorry, fat boy, this Mink is still single!" with a picture of her looking disgusted. I would wager that there isn't enough power ballads in the world to pull yourself out of that sort of rejection. Then again, that had to be one big fucking loser.
If I was the comic author, I'd wait until the man married the character, then a few months down the line reveal that the character has a penis, or HIV. This does bring new meaning to that lame joke Pee Wee always used to shout.
" Oh man this is such a good sandwich. I love this sandwich" "if you love it so much why dont you marry it nyaa"
Now you have to stop to think for a couple of seconds if you're willing to commit to it. My only warning is this. He better keep his dirty hands off Erin Esurance! She only finds those low low auto rates for me and me only! I really shouldn't be surprised by these 2D-3D relationships. They've been around for a while now.
Yes, this yet another Prop 8 related blog. I realize, I must want to have my gay marriage now, right? I just think that this prop and the people behind the campaign to get it passed are the lowest form of scum. This is one of those confusing election choices. A vote for no means yes to rights of others and a vote for yes means no to human rights.
As many were passing out candy on Halloween, there was a handful of people passing out something worse than dental floss, candy corn and pennies. They handed these fliers out to parents out with their children advocating a YES on Prop 8 by using scare tactics on what they're children may or may not be exposed to in schools. The kicker here, even if prop 8 is passed, your students can still be taught about gay marriage in school. There's nothing in the writing of prop 8 that eliminates the ability for schools to teach about gay marriages.
If you're a teacher and prop 8 passes, I implore you to go right ahead and teach about gay marriage in school in the context of this very same proposition stripping gays of their equal rights to marry. That'll show the knights of columbus and Mormon groups. Then again, if this gets passed and gay marriage is taken away, they'll be happy anyway. So it's a lose/lose situation no matter how you cut it unless prop 8 doesn't pass. Again, MARRIAGE ISN'T TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS TILL THE MIDDLE SCHOOL/HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL! And even then parents have the rights to opt their kids out of the class if they feel the need to be so ignorant to do so. Oh yes, this is during Health/Biology class and Sex ed. So it's not a freak'n surprise!
Dirty Pool, Pro-prop 8. Dirty fuckin' pool!
I recently talked to a friend from out of state about the props on the ballot this year and he wondered why Prop 8 was looking like it was going to pass. How California looks to be a generally liberal place. Not so much. Most of California is backwater shit holes filled with rednecks like Bakersfield , Fresno, and the Inland Empire. Then you have Orange and San Diego Counties that are bastions of "fuck you got mine" conservatives. San Diego is Bakersfield with a beach and comic con. There are dozens of better California beach front cities that aren't filled with brain dead soldiers and bitter old people.
Orange County is a horrible shit hole filled with upper-middle-class tools, racists, bros, and is home to Saddle back Church and that asshole who wrote the Purpose Driven Life as well as the Trinity Broadcast Network. So it doesn't surprise me that it spawns such hatred that driving through there has a sea of YES ON 8 signs plastered everywhere. It did give us Nixon and was a city who latches onto the L.A. name for a baseball team as well as going bankrupt while having a major theme park in their city. Talk about Reaganomics.
This is why I understand when people want California to float off into the ocean
That's the key here. "Fuck You Got Mine" is the only mentality that kicks in here. Straight people have had the right for marriage for as long as anyone can remember. Will it really hurt their marriage to allow gay people to join them in that dreaded celebration of misery?
I have never heard a reasonable, thought out response to someone asking why marriage is somehow in trouble, and why people think voting against gay marriage is "protecting" marriage. does your marriage become null and void if gay marriage becomes legal? I just don't get it. Also, this whole battle has changed my opinion on Mormons from "whatever" to "fucking cult assholes."
I hate that people say heterosexual marriage is what is traditional. If we were going for tradition we would still see marriage as an exchange of property, not love, and require dowries. It's bullshit that people are trying to defend a false institution. Marriage has never been sanctified in the first place, throughout history its been a tool of oppression and then when it finally becomes more or less equal it is debased by reality TV and divorce rates
I can only hope that it fails due to the bradley effect. People say yes yes keep those faggots from marrying, then go into the booth and think "what the fuck am i doing? here i am voting a black man in for president then voting against faggots, what the fuck is wrong with me?" I don't even see anywhere in the new testament where god gives a shit about government. If anyone tells you "It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve", just slap them. Seriously. Slap them.
Besides deciding if you want Change you can believe in or some old dude, Californians have another thing to worry about when in that voting booth. How will they circle the other little options. A hot button proposition is Prop 8. You may know this prop as the one that has the most insulting ads on the air paid for those faggots who want you to vote Yes on Prop 8.
I call them faggots not because they are gay. No, I actually don't think I ever called a gay person a faggot. Why? Because I only call people acting faggy a faggot. Like if I ask for extra ketchup at the drive-thru and they say they only can give me two packs. Total fag move. Seriously those of you who are voting YES on Prop 8, stop being such faggots. Why do you have to hate on gays and their interest to get married?
I say if they want to get married, well then, they have every right to be as miserable as straight couples who are married. Look at the latest wave of ads those bicycle riding Mormons have been paying for
Pony up the cash for a private school or shut the fuck up!
I suppose parents should expect more Cinderella/Sleeping beauty fanfics to come out of that. What confuses me is that in the polls, Prop 8 is on the way to getting passed. This troubles me. We're California! What happened to the feel-good, come-as-you-are, live-and-let-live hippie paradise, but apparently we've just swapped one breed of thickheaded intolerant bigot for another. Why California, why will vote for Barack Obama by, like, 16 points but won't pass this? I know that behind the OC curtain there's a lot of Republicans but are there just a lot of socially conservative Democrats hiding in the bushes? I'm sure their in the wastelands of Bakersfield and all of Kern county that aren't embracing any diversity.
Then there's this ad which shows a kid who will clearly be tainted when she's asking for Barbie's "friend" Ellen instead of Ken for Christmas. Certainly can't be responsible for teaching her anything other than the norm of man and wife getting hitched. Oh wait, I know, why not hold off on teaching children about anything at that age. Stop filling their heads with visions of being a princess finding a prince anyway since it's a fucking fairytale that only leads to spoiled brats seen on MTV's My Super 16th.
Clearly marriage should remain something between two plastic dolls. If we let them gays marry, what's next? Dogs marrying Cats? Pigeons marrying squirrels in the park? Oh wait, I already did that last one when I got my mail-order minister license and had a field day at the park. I'm just taking charge and doing my duty in making the park a less sinful place where marriage matters!
I'm pretty serious when I say that the fact that this is even up for debate is pretty disgusting. If you vote yes on 8, you're subhuman. The claim for those supporting a yes on the prop is that:
"Children have a right and are entitled to have a father and a mother."
"Prop. 8 isn't out to remove rights. In America, we all have the "right" to have a relationship. But what about the legal right to marry?"
Seriously. The name of the fucking prop is "ELIMINATES RIGHTS" and people are going to vote yes in droves.? Since when do children have the right to have a father and mother? Is everyone who donated money to Yes on Prop 8 part of a two parent home and not divorced, like 50% of all marriages in America seem to end up? Forget a mother and father. We should just hope that children have two GOOD parents raising them. Who cares if they're both from the same sex. I just want to know where it says "Thou shalt not allow gay marriage" in the bible.
Forget learning about Marriage, how about they learn tolerance?
It's sad that it only takes 50%+1 is all that required for a constitutional amendment. California is a big state with plenty of good spots. But then there's the spots that aren't the major cities between L.A. and S.F. with plenty of room for idiots. Way to run the state into the ground. We used to be ahead of the pack in accepting change. California used to be cool, what happened to you Cali? What happened?
What does another's personal life effect you so much? Is your marriage hanging on a string that their union would destroy the meaning of yours? The no on 8 ads should just be like, Yo idiots 11,000 gay people got married since may, nothing has happened to your sacred marriage since then!
MLK's Dream was for fucktards like this to go to hell.
Then there's those who are simply voting Yes on 8 because they don't want the marriage license to suffer the change of having MAN and WIFE written instead having SPOUSE1 and SPOUSE2 written in its spot. Do you honestly give a shit about what your marriage license says? Whens the last time anyone even look at theirs? Does a wife love their husband less if he's "spouse2" on the marriage license instead of man?
Do conservatives even realize the boon that same-sex marriage would have for our current tax system? from a purely fiscal standpoint (and not from a standpoint of a repressed sexual identity crying out to be acknowledged) , it would be stupid not to legalize it Ellen is hip with it, why aren't you?
And not to mention the wedding industry. If you're some community college photography or film major I question how you could be voting yes on this. The majority of the work that will keep you alive after you "get out of college" will be from booking wedding jobs as the photographer or camera guy. Your main goal is to try to have more people get married. So limiting how many people can get married... fuckin' stupid!
With marriage comes divorce, roughly half the time. So you tack on all the court fees that the increased divorce rate will bring about and you have yourself a way to get out of this terrible debt our state is in. I got a flier that said:
"Tolreance of gay marriage will become Mandatory. YES ON PROP 8"
As if tolerance is some sort of grave sin. You know what else was made mandatorily tolerated? INTEGRATION, you George-Wallace-Channeling fundie dipshit fucks! If this passes, I hope all gay people in California go completely postal and conduct civil unrest with massive riots. Hope you queer as folk folks take to the streets and make the Rodney King situation look like the summer of love. Make it one fabulous wreckage.
I promise you this, religious nuts. If prop 8 passes I'm going to kill God myself
Once was a writer, tho, you see words to your left, so I guess I'm still that to some degree.
You can find my scribbles and mind ranting on this and various other places as a means to keep the creative, satirical and costco talk muscles worked out.
Was once apart of the tv industry, but I'm sure the NDA's are still in effect so let's move on from that. Now I spend my time slinging beer and keeping a building in one piece.
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